No matter how he tries to spin it, Rumsfeld flat out can’t deny that he said the things that Ray McGovern is quoting verbatim. I remember watching it and thinking it was all bullshit at the time.
Of course even during the Reagan years, Rumsfeld was kept at arms length. With such lovable clowns as Ollie North et al, they knew even then that this son of a bitch was trouble with a capital T.